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		<title>By: abbie haysham</title>
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		<dc:creator>abbie haysham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im from wales and i think welsh is realy easy to learn but where i come from in wales no one ever speaks welsh so i try my best to speak it i find some of welsh a bit harder than other parts such as bora da means good morning where as syt oit tee meens where are you from but i find bora da easy because you just say it the way its spelt of i think welsh is the easyest on i dont think ive ever tried to speak irish so ill give it a try its always good to try something new</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im from wales and i think welsh is realy easy to learn but where i come from in wales no one ever speaks welsh so i try my best to speak it i find some of welsh a bit harder than other parts such as bora da means good morning where as syt oit tee meens where are you from but i find bora da easy because you just say it the way its spelt of i think welsh is the easyest on i dont think ive ever tried to speak irish so ill give it a try its always good to try something new</p>
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		<title>By: cymraes</title>
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		<dc:creator>cymraes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear Hear! Cymro is right... the north Wale-ian accent is harsher than that of the south. For some reason they also have a huge chip on their shoulders about their dialect being the truest and cleanest form of the Welsh tongue. Its quite nasal and &quot;clocky&quot; to hear as opposed to the more rolling,melodic lilt of the south. Welsh, whether spoken by the northerners or southerners, is a beautiful language. It is my first language and to hear it spoken by more and more young people is brill&#039;.... The snobbery that is sometimes attached to the language by the north should be ignored. Learn it because you love it... decide which accent appeals to you more and don&#039;t be put off by someone telling you they can &quot;mutate&quot; better than their fellow countryman! Leave that to the Klingons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear Hear! Cymro is right&#8230; the north Wale-ian accent is harsher than that of the south. For some reason they also have a huge chip on their shoulders about their dialect being the truest and cleanest form of the Welsh tongue. Its quite nasal and &#8220;clocky&#8221; to hear as opposed to the more rolling,melodic lilt of the south. Welsh, whether spoken by the northerners or southerners, is a beautiful language. It is my first language and to hear it spoken by more and more young people is brill&#8217;&#8230;. The snobbery that is sometimes attached to the language by the north should be ignored. Learn it because you love it&#8230; decide which accent appeals to you more and don&#8217;t be put off by someone telling you they can &#8220;mutate&#8221; better than their fellow countryman! Leave that to the Klingons!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South.</p>
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		<title>By: tomcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/irish/blas/learners/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learnwelsh/

Refer to these links to get a feel for both languages

I speak English &amp; Irish and  as my joint 1st languages.  I am reasonable in spoken and written French and Spanish, less so in Italian and German and studied Latin in school.

Irish grammar is very difficult as it has five declensions of nouns with the following cases for singular and plural: Nominative, Vocative, Accusative, Genative, Dative.
There are changes to the beginning and the end of nouns to reflect these and also changes internally.

Verbs are no more difficult that Spanish, although the structure does not follow the Latin grammar structure so familiar to languages descended from Latin

Irish is a sister language of Latin and Greek so there are many similarities between the roots of many words but sometimes these are not obvious at first sight
eg
Man - Fear - Vir(Latin)
Sight - Fis - Vision(Latin)
Horse -Capal - caballus(Latin)
Steed - Each - equus(Latin) - Hypo(Greek)
Woman - ban - Gyn(Greek)
Bright - geal - gala(Greek)
Bull- Tarbh - Tauros -(Latin &amp; Greek)
Cow - Bo - Bovus(Latin)


English  Irish       Latin
One      Aon         Unus
Two      Do           Duo
Three    Tri           Tres
Four     Ceathar    Quattuor
Five      Cuig         Quinque
Six       Se           Sex
Seven   Seacht     Septem
Eight    Ocht        Octo
Nine     Ne           Novem
Ten      Deich       Decem
Eleven  Aondeagh Undecim
Twelve  Dodeag    Dodecim

There are many other examples.

Irish is a Q Celtic language while Welsh is P Celtic,  
ie P sounds are normally changed to Q or K sounds in Irish.

See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages

I know little of Welsh but from that what I have seen of it, I find it completely incomprehensible with very little similiarity although there must be a lot of unseen similiarity at the &quot;root&quot; level.

For those who study comparative linguistics a knowledge of a Celtic language is useful.

They both have the distinction of being the first written European languages north of the Alps,  also many Latin writers were of Celtic origin Virgil being the most famous.

Irish fear geal = bright or blond man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/irish/blas/learners/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/irish/blas/learners/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learnwelsh/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learnwelsh/</a></p>
<p>Refer to these links to get a feel for both languages</p>
<p>I speak English &amp; Irish and  as my joint 1st languages.  I am reasonable in spoken and written French and Spanish, less so in Italian and German and studied Latin in school.</p>
<p>Irish grammar is very difficult as it has five declensions of nouns with the following cases for singular and plural: Nominative, Vocative, Accusative, Genative, Dative.<br />
There are changes to the beginning and the end of nouns to reflect these and also changes internally.</p>
<p>Verbs are no more difficult that Spanish, although the structure does not follow the Latin grammar structure so familiar to languages descended from Latin</p>
<p>Irish is a sister language of Latin and Greek so there are many similarities between the roots of many words but sometimes these are not obvious at first sight<br />
eg<br />
Man &#8211; Fear &#8211; Vir(Latin)<br />
Sight &#8211; Fis &#8211; Vision(Latin)<br />
Horse -Capal &#8211; caballus(Latin)<br />
Steed &#8211; Each &#8211; equus(Latin) &#8211; Hypo(Greek)<br />
Woman &#8211; ban &#8211; Gyn(Greek)<br />
Bright &#8211; geal &#8211; gala(Greek)<br />
Bull- Tarbh &#8211; Tauros -(Latin &amp; Greek)<br />
Cow &#8211; Bo &#8211; Bovus(Latin)</p>
<p>English  Irish       Latin<br />
One      Aon         Unus<br />
Two      Do           Duo<br />
Three    Tri           Tres<br />
Four     Ceathar    Quattuor<br />
Five      Cuig         Quinque<br />
Six       Se           Sex<br />
Seven   Seacht     Septem<br />
Eight    Ocht        Octo<br />
Nine     Ne           Novem<br />
Ten      Deich       Decem<br />
Eleven  Aondeagh Undecim<br />
Twelve  Dodeag    Dodecim</p>
<p>There are many other examples.</p>
<p>Irish is a Q Celtic language while Welsh is P Celtic,<br />
ie P sounds are normally changed to Q or K sounds in Irish.</p>
<p>See &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages</a></p>
<p>I know little of Welsh but from that what I have seen of it, I find it completely incomprehensible with very little similiarity although there must be a lot of unseen similiarity at the &quot;root&quot; level.</p>
<p>For those who study comparative linguistics a knowledge of a Celtic language is useful.</p>
<p>They both have the distinction of being the first written European languages north of the Alps,  also many Latin writers were of Celtic origin Virgil being the most famous.</p>
<p>Irish fear geal = bright or blond man</p>
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		<title>By: morporc</title>
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		<dc:creator>morporc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither Welsh nor Irish are especially difficult languages. Both have some primitive Indo_Aryan aspects that can trip up people familiar only with modern European languages - but if you have mastered Korean these shouldn&#039;t trouble you.

The one you will find easiest is the one you have most motivation to learn. If you have access to S4C (Welsh-language TV) or some Welsh-speaking friends, Welsh will be easier. If you spend holidays in the Gaeltacht, or have access to RTE - Irish might have the edge.

The differences between North and South Welsh are much exaggerated - largely it is just a matter of a few dozen common vocabulary words. You should learn whichever form your friends speak (or the one you can get the best learning materials in).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither Welsh nor Irish are especially difficult languages. Both have some primitive Indo_Aryan aspects that can trip up people familiar only with modern European languages &#8211; but if you have mastered Korean these shouldn&#8217;t trouble you.</p>
<p>The one you will find easiest is the one you have most motivation to learn. If you have access to S4C (Welsh-language TV) or some Welsh-speaking friends, Welsh will be easier. If you spend holidays in the Gaeltacht, or have access to RTE &#8211; Irish might have the edge.</p>
<p>The differences between North and South Welsh are much exaggerated &#8211; largely it is just a matter of a few dozen common vocabulary words. You should learn whichever form your friends speak (or the one you can get the best learning materials in).</p>
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		<title>By: Rolyn- yn flîn ddiawledig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolyn- yn flîn ddiawledig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can speak Welsh fluently but I&#039;ve no idea about Irish Gaelic, the languages are so different. Irish Gaelic is very similar to Scots Gaelic.
Welsh is easy to learn to intermediate standard but to become fluent you must master the mutations which cause problems even to some first language speakers, especially those from South Wales.

Edit...Oh, I recommend North Wales Welsh...at least we know how to mutate properly.....I can help you if you like.

In reality, the differences aren&#039;t that great, there are a few words that are different in the North and the South eg:
funnel....twmfat (N)...twndish (S)
out.....allan (N)...màs (S)
up...i fyny (N)...lan (S)
dirty...budr (N)....brwnt (S)
milk...llefrith (N)...llaeth (S)
to swim...nofio (N)...oefed (S)
ice.....rhew (N)...iâ (S)
egg...ŵy (N)...wŷ..(S)
busy...prysur (N)...bishi (S)
untidy...blêr (N)...anniben (S)
nappy...clwt (N)...cewyn (S)
cattle...gwartheg (N)...da (S).

and the South can&#039;t distinguish between &#039;u&#039; and &#039; i&#039; (eg: they pronounce &#039;mul&#039; [donkey] and &#039;mil&#039; [thousand] the same but we don&#039;t) so the accent is different too. 
When they say &#039;twyll dyn&#039; (man&#039;s treachery) it sounds very much like &#039;twll dîn&#039; (ar5ehole)...lol.
It&#039;s similar to the difference between the Portuguese spoken in Portugal and that spoken in Brazil or British English and American English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can speak Welsh fluently but I&#8217;ve no idea about Irish Gaelic, the languages are so different. Irish Gaelic is very similar to Scots Gaelic.<br />
Welsh is easy to learn to intermediate standard but to become fluent you must master the mutations which cause problems even to some first language speakers, especially those from South Wales.</p>
<p>Edit&#8230;Oh, I recommend North Wales Welsh&#8230;at least we know how to mutate properly&#8230;..I can help you if you like.</p>
<p>In reality, the differences aren&#8217;t that great, there are a few words that are different in the North and the South eg:<br />
funnel&#8230;.twmfat (N)&#8230;twndish (S)<br />
out&#8230;..allan (N)&#8230;màs (S)<br />
up&#8230;i fyny (N)&#8230;lan (S)<br />
dirty&#8230;budr (N)&#8230;.brwnt (S)<br />
milk&#8230;llefrith (N)&#8230;llaeth (S)<br />
to swim&#8230;nofio (N)&#8230;oefed (S)<br />
ice&#8230;..rhew (N)&#8230;iâ (S)<br />
egg&#8230;ŵy (N)&#8230;wŷ..(S)<br />
busy&#8230;prysur (N)&#8230;bishi (S)<br />
untidy&#8230;blêr (N)&#8230;anniben (S)<br />
nappy&#8230;clwt (N)&#8230;cewyn (S)<br />
cattle&#8230;gwartheg (N)&#8230;da (S).</p>
<p>and the South can&#8217;t distinguish between &#8216;u&#8217; and &#8216; i&#8217; (eg: they pronounce &#8216;mul&#8217; [donkey] and &#8216;mil&#8217; [thousand] the same but we don&#8217;t) so the accent is different too.<br />
When they say &#8216;twyll dyn&#8217; (man&#8217;s treachery) it sounds very much like &#8216;twll dîn&#8217; (ar5ehole)&#8230;lol.<br />
It&#8217;s similar to the difference between the Portuguese spoken in Portugal and that spoken in Brazil or British English and American English.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welsh, i&#039;m wels and mostly speak english but i have know it since i was 8.And i&#039;m 12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welsh, i&#8217;m wels and mostly speak english but i have know it since i was 8.And i&#8217;m 12</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prob welsh, but both hard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prob welsh, but both hard</p>
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		<title>By: Shan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>irish is more easy to learn my friend has learnt it in five months</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>irish is more easy to learn my friend has learnt it in five months</p>
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		<title>By: Noreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im from ireland and irish is really hard and it doesn&#039;t sound like any other language. I wouldn&#039;t learn it if I were you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im from ireland and irish is really hard and it doesn&#8217;t sound like any other language. I wouldn&#8217;t learn it if I were you.</p>
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